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November 01, 2006

aaarrrgggghhhh

From Bush's interview with Rush Limbaugh today:

"Give me a second here, Rush, because I want to share something with you. I am deeply concerned about a country, the United States, leaving the Middle East. I am worried that rival forms of extremists will battle for power, obviously creating incredible damage if they do so; that they will topple modern governments, that they will be in a position to use oil as a tool to blackmail the West. People say, "What do you mean by that?" I say, "If they control oil resources, then they pull oil off the market in order to run the price up, and they will do so unless we abandon Israel, for example, or unless we abandon allies."

So, what, we weren't in this position before we invaded? They didn't control the resources then? So it _is_ a war about oil. Thanks for clearing that up, Dubya.

Posted by jennj at November 1, 2006 06:32 PM

Clue-ments:

i've never really understood the war for oil thing.
not now, not 15 years ago.

if you fight a war in the middle east,
supply is compromised and prices rise.

we didn't have Iraq's oil before the war
and we aren't going to have it after
even if we "win" the war
and Iraq establishes a real democracy.

so is it simply a deeply mis-guided war for oil?

Posted by: jhimm at November 1, 2006 07:36 PM

One thing to keep in mind is that if you are a producer of oil, war's in the Middle East increase your profits by making the oil that you have more valuable.

Posted by: Fritz. at November 1, 2006 10:04 PM

i fully believe
that our major political parties
are deep into the pockets of big business
and that the bulk of what they do
is done to help those businesses,
but i guess i'm not quite ready to buy the idea
that we've invaded iraq twice in 20 years
for the express and only purpose
of temporarily increasing the profits
of a very small handful of companies
with the unintended consequence in each case
of radically increasing mainstream interest
in replacing oil altogether
in the mid-to-long term
which would have a far bigger impact
on long term profits of the same companies.

i guess i'm a lot more willing to believe
that this was about revenge
or finishing an unfinished job
or simply a cheap excuse
to keep "the war on terror" on the front page.

Posted by: jhimm at November 3, 2006 09:27 AM

jhimm - I can buy into what you're saying also, actually......and I've never really been a full supporter of the "war for oil" stance anyway. Or at least, that isn't the first argument I'd make for why we went to war.

Posted by: cf at November 3, 2006 09:32 AM

I think that there were a number of high-minded reasons for invading Iraq. And they were certainly how it was sold to the American public. But I think that the sum-total of reasons were varied (including those that you mention, jhimm), but that it distinctly included the short term profits of oil corporations, given the background of the parties making the decision.

Posted by: Fritz. at November 3, 2006 10:36 AM